Update March 24 2022
I continued to experience a design flaw in the way the kickstand assembly attaches to the peg. The very small M3 screw is not robust enough to have the constant stress of the kickstand going up and down. It alone prevents pivoting even though the two M5 bolts are tightened down. I found my own solution to this flaw and will report back on how it has improved or not improved the design.
Update February 13 2021
I wanted to update this post about the Kaniwaba pedal kit which I’ve used daily for approximately three months. My riding is a combination of trail/downhill/gravel road riding. With the modifications I’ve made (mentioned below in this post) the pedal kit has proven to be bullet proof. I do NOT have his kit that links the kit to the SR’s jackshaft as I have no need for that option. To me it adds a complexity and ‘could potentially‘ damage the jackshaft which would be a total pain to replace/repair But to each their own. I personally have no idea why anyone would consider purchasing the SR’s pedal kit which if you are a site subscriber I’ve worked extensively to make better than OEM. I’m very happy that Juan took the time to develop this product for those of us who wish to have the appearance of pedals on the SR. Thank you Juan.
December 7 2020
I wanted to bring up a design flaw that I have encountered with the pedal kit. Although small I feel it should be redesigned. The very small countersunk screw that prevents the kickstand portion of the left hanger from pivoting continued to back out even with blue Locktite applied. I substituted the countersunk head screw with a normal hex bold longer in length so that my hex wrench could get a better grip when tightening it down. I’ll keep an eye on it, but it seems to continue to back out. Something to keep an eye on on your own kit.
Introduction
For my ADD friends…. The short story here is the Kaniwaba Pedal kit v2.0 is the one to get. Forget purchasing the Sur Ron pedal kit. If you are interested in the story that led me to come to this conclusion, the sorted details follow…
I have owned my Sur Ron for 28 months and put just over 5200 miles on it riding in the dirt, on fire roads, bike paths and single track. I estimate that the OEM pedal kit I ordered with the bike has about 4980 miles on it. And I’ve run through many improvements on the OEM pedal kit to make it better, yet…well it’s still the shitty pedal kit. The entire reason I’ve kept it is it allows me to ride literally anywhere because of the pedals. Make no mistake the pedal kit CANNOT PROPEL THE BIKE. Sure if you want to use the stupid 28 tooth rear sprocket SR supplies so you can pedal the bike at 8 MPH and lose all of the torque you can technically pedal the 110 pound bike. I ran my own test, GPS measured by riding as hard as I could for 50 yards on flat ground. 4MPH was my maximum speed with the 48t rear sprocket. So I got off and pushed the bike and achieved 5MPH!
My Pedal Kit History
Because I’ve used the pedal kit for almost the entire time I’ve owned and ridden my bike I’m used to it. I have ridden the bike with the pegs too. And there was a time I would ‘pretend pedal’ to off road areas and then remove the crank arms and put on the pegs. But I got lazy and just stopped doing that and road with the pedals. I got accustomed to the pedal positions too, but could never accept the very poor execution in the building of the kit. One of the largest negative aspects of the OEM pedal kit is the rider becomes part of the bike’s unsprung weight because the kit is attached to the swingarm. Even though the pedal tube is located close to the swingarm’s pivot point when seated the rider’s weight is not a huge factor. But when standing all 180lbs of my fully geared rider weight becomes unsprung weight. More on that affect later in this post.
Like many others I had tried to fabricate an alternative to the Sur Ron OEM pedal kit for quite some time. I tried using the OEM foot peg hanger holes with threaded rod through them, but it just never worked. I could never figure out how to make the pedal cranks stay fitted to the rod without them rotating around the rod while under stress. I tried drilling a hole in the threaded rod and placing pins to keep the cranks from rotating. But the pins would either sheer off or the threaded rod would break. So I shelved the idea of replacing the OEM pedal kit. On August 27 2020 a man from Columbia wrote to me to ask if he could send me his version of an altered pedal kit based on reading my Sur Ron site. I agreed only if he understood that my assessment would be candid and he agreed. I often receive requests to review items in my professional job as a photographer. I’m not a YouTuber who makes money off of clicks, likes and subscribes so advertisers pay money for eyeballs. Writing reviews takes loads of time so for the past two years I wrote my reviews to help other users. I’m changing that to a subscription based model where users pay, not advertisers. I’m no longer interested in offering free support for the makers/retailers of the Sur Ron. Not even a simple thank you from any of them in the two years I offered this information for free. I never expect anything other than a simple thank you. Not expecting free shit or a discount on stuff, just thank you. And for those users who don’t wanna pay a monthly subscription, that’s OK.
He initially mentioned that the kit would use modified peg hangers with a spindle and sprocket installed. I told him that if a sprocket was part of the spindle/peg holder as the swing arm compressed the chain would tighten as it traveled through its arc. He didn’t believe it would until he tried it and found out the chain did tighten as the swingarm compressed.
So I suggested that he simply remove the sprocket all together since it does not serve any useful purpose.
Here is a comparison of the OEM pedal kit and the Kaniwaba pedal kit v1.0 which used a blued steel spindle with circle clips. V2.0 uses a stainless steel spindle and a set screw collar.
The weight measured in ounces.
I’ve included the OEM pedal kit sprocket because it’s part of the kit’s weight.
Unlike the OEM’s caged loose ball bearings the new kit uses high quality sealed cartridge bearings.
The photo above illustrates how the pedal kit v1.0 arrived.
Because all SR’s vary a bit in width between peg hangers he has included circle clips so the distance between the hangers can be adjusted. The bearings and the spindle are pressure pressed into one another. The distance can be adjusted by gentle tapping on the hangers while the spindle is in a vice. I had to adjust mine wider than how it arrived to have it fit snugly onto my frame. The hangers are anodized aluminum, the fasteners are stainless steel and the spindle is blued steel to prevent rust.
Spindle Drift
I’m not sure if the maker ‘pretend pedals’ consistently while riding his SR like I do or ride off road much. Whenever I’m riding on a public road or a bike path where others are present I pedal. My morning route is 18.2 miles round trip. As I was approaching my home I noticed what I felt was some drag on the pedals. Normally was buttery smooth. So when I got home I noticed the left side pedal crank had moved inward toward the center. It was rubbing on the hanger.
So I again removed the unit and readjusted the spindle so that both sides were equaled distant and went out for a shorter test ride, about 11 miles. Upon returning home the right side had crept inward. My belief is since the sealed cartridge bearings and the spindle are pressed into the unit the can move laterally. My first attempt to resolve this issue was to use stainless steel hose clamps and tightened them against the circle clips on the spindle to prevent creeping.
Alas this did improve the spindle creep, but not well enough since the hose clamps do not fit flush against the bearings inner races. So at that point I added some aluminum tubing I cut so as not to remove one of the hangers from the spindle since I had no idea how they should be properly removed.
This did allow the tubing to sit flush against the inner bearing race, but because the hose clamps were not strong enough to keep the tube from moving I still experienced spindle creep. Much better than his circle clip design, but not enough for my comfort and riding style.
As you can see the tubing slid on the spindle due to the insufficient pressure of the hose clamp.
So next up I purchased split steel collars for the spindle which would have enough pressure (I hoped) to hold the spindle from movement.
But then what I found before doing a road test is the new collars caused binding against the bearings. So…
I got so pissed about doing all of this I just hammered the fuck on the right side hanger until it came off the spindle I then fashioned two non slotted pieces of aluminum tubing that matched the inner race of the bearings. The right one is slightly longer because the right side had these two opposing flat spots on the spindle because apparently the maker ‘hopes’ to one day include a sprocket and I wanted that collar to be on the round portion of the spindle.
No more binding or spindle creep. Based on my suggestion to use collars rather than circle clips (he was thinking the same at the time) v2.0 is a much better design.
Kaniwaba v2.0
My following suggestion when installing v2.0 which is not mentioned in Kaniwaba’s video. Do not tighten the collars down when installing the kit hangers. Keep the spindle installed along with your pedal cranks. Tighten down the hangers and your cranks. THEN adjust the spindle left/right so that the cranks are equal distant from the hangers. THEN slide each collar against their respective bearing races and tighten down the set screws. Because I had already purchased split collars before they send the new ones I use mine to back up the Kaniwaba collars. Why? Well I’ve had experience before with single set screw collars and for ME they are not as secure as the split collars. Just Boy Scout shit.
OEM Hanger
New Hanger
Unlike the OEM left hand thread this kit has a reverse thread on the left hand side counterclockwise to tighten – the proper way for the spindle to be threaded so as not to loosen while pedaling. In addition the nut is a 15mm which differs from the 14mm side. Very nice touch so as not to confuse sides but I still color code mine
Right Side
It’s apparent here that no silly pedal sprocket is on this kit which results in NO wobble or loosening/tightening of the chain as the swingarm travels through its arc.
Simply by removing the pedal crank arms you can easily install the footpegs and the spindle does not impact or interfere with the spindle. And since the spindle is not spinning there is no danger of getting anything caught in the spindle. I use fuel line hose to protect the threads on the spindle when the cranks are not attached.
Small Suggested Alterations I Sent to Kaniwaba
This is where I discovered one of the design elements I suggested be changed. He uses mushroom head M4 bolts as the anti-rotation pins for the footpegs. Due to their rounded heads when bolting down the pegs it does not allow the nut to be flush against the hanger. I countersunk the hanger and used countersunk M4 bolts.
Here you can see the small anti rotation bolt/pin between the two footpeg holes. The OEM footpegs have corresponding holes to prevent peg rotation.
The mushroom heads as supplied with the kit does not allow the peg nut to sit flush against the hanger.
Kaniwaba adopted the countersunk anti rotation bolt in v2.0 so the footpeg nut now sits flush to the hanger. Note that these photos are when I modified v1.0 to use a countersunk head. Kaniwaba’s is cleaner.
New vs. Old Kickstand Pivot
In their video for installation of the system they do not mention the use of the kickstand retaining collar that was included on my SR. It prevents the kickstand from being removed unless the shouldered collar is removed. But more importantly it provides a secure shaft for the bolt that travels through the kickstand and the kickstand hanger. I found after installing it per their instructions that the kickstand would not automatically retract all the way up unless I ensured to lift it all the way to the up position. Notice in the photo that my bolt does not have a shoulder.
So I simply drilled out the kickstand hanger hole so that the collar fitting would fit. And now my kickstand retracts fully once it gets within two inches of the top.
The maker made me aware that SR altered the design for the kickstand collar. He designed the unit based on his more current version which uses a shouldered bolt. So it will depend on which unit you own to determine if you will have to use my method or theirs. My SR is Gen 2 so I imagine Gen 1’s also use the same system as mine.
The other issue I found is the two very small M5 bolts that secure the kickstand hanger portion to the peg hangers. The bottom bolt’s hex head was a bit stripped and the actual bolt was loose. I noticed this as I was lowering and raising the kickstand. The kickstand portion would wobble. So I replaced the lower stripped head version with a larger hex head M5 bolt. I ordered 35mm length M5 bolts and nylock nuts to place on the opposing side.
I had replaced both of these bolts with Phillips head 35mm M5 bolts. I would have preferred hex heads but could not find them in 35mm length.
Kaniwaba was kind enough to send me several 35mm hex head bolts for my bike to replace the 35mm Phillips head units.
Because the back of the plate is angled I made stainless steel spacers that are beveled at the same angle of the plate so that when I tighten the M5 nylock nuts they remain flush to the spacers and don’t bend the bolts. Even though I had used Locktite on the original bolts prior to making this change, when I examined them today after my ride they had loosened. Now that I have made this modification they have never backed out of the kickstand bracket. Kaniwaba stated that v2.0 solves this issue without the need for my DIY shims. y feeling is the vibration of the kickstand being raised and lowered may cause the bolts to back out. Keep in mind that I have modified my own kickstand extending it one inch due to my 21” front rim. It was necessary to keep the angle of my bike safe when parked.
Left, original kickstand length. Right increased the kickstand length by one inch. No matter why I experienced the two bolts backing out doesn’t matter to me. I like to resolve things so that I don’t have to worry about them later….or worse, lose a part!
My stainless steel angled spacers I cut to match the angle of the kickstand bracket.
Nylock nuts to ensure the bolts don’t back out.
I was not certain what the small countersunk bolt’s purpose is at the bottom of the hanger. The maker explained it to me, “The bolt located in the lower part is to avoid the part that holds the side stand to move away from the hanger when you raise the side stand. On the previous version when the side stand was raised, it did a lot of torque (lever) on this part and it moved it away from the hanger, so we had to implement this screw in order to avoid the part from moving when the side stand was raised.”
Summary
Like all first gen aftermarket products there are some zits on its complexion. The creeping of the spindle is the most troublesome to me. The loosening of the kickstand mounting screws is a small thing, but something that should be corrected.
For function….
Most may think that removing the rider as unsprung weight will only be felt going over bumps. That is just one of the benefits of a pedal kit not being attached to the swingarm, but a MUCH MORE SIGNFICANT improvement is in turning. When I was racing my RC51 I owned a set of Dymag carbon fiber rims that I only used for racing. Whenever I installed those rims my bike felt as flick able as a 125cc two stroke road racer instead of a 468lbs 1000cc vtwin. So as I rode my SR on my normal trails, as I stood on the pedals and began transitioning left and right the bike was completely transformed from what I was accustomed to while riding. Not only was it smoother (duh I’m not a part of the swingarm anymore!) but flicking from left to right was effortless compared to the OEM pedal kit! I’m sure that non pedal kit SR owners have no idea what I’m talking about. But trust me the lack of me as unsprung weight made a huge difference.
The robust build quality of the unit is first rate. The maker has been receptive to my assessment of his kit. No “Yeah but…, but what about…” bullshit feedback from him. Just thank you or this is what that’s for. As the SR grows in numbers having aftermarket small companies who take the time to improve upon an already great product (well the OEM pedal kit is NOT a great product! LOL) is important to its longevity and evolution. At this point though I am done trying to improve the product because of the amount of time and thought I have put into it already. Oh and if you’re thinking “Well you got a free pedal kit.” Gimme a fucking break. I’d happily pay $129.00 and then do all of the improvements I’ve made without having to document all of this!
I also don’t believe any company should begin selling products until it is FULLY VETTED by having people beta test the products. I understand being excited and going to market right away. But what happens when PAYING CUSTOMERS encounter the issues I uncovered while testing the unit for Kaniwaba? Granted the issues I found may not be experienced by others simply because we all ride differently and in varied locations. But then again that’s how Sur Ron produced a shitty pedal kit isn’t it?
And if that sounds harsh keep in mind that I’m not trying to make money off of products. I do this to support aftermarket makers of aftermarket parts I find improve the Sur Ron. It takes a TON OF TIME to evaluate a product THOROUGHLY, photograph what I’ve done and write up my thoughts.
One other huge advantage with this kit is it now works with Luna’s belt drive system! My personal belief is most of the belt drive riders are primarily street riders. So to have pedals on the street makes the bike more acceptable to others who see you on the SR. Just my thought….
I highly recommend this pedal kit and thank Kaniwaba for taking the time to produce it. Even though it took me loads of time to evaluate and give them feedback I’m happy I was able to do so since I’m never without my pedal kit.
26 Comments
Great write up and nice problem solving to fix those lil bugs. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Amongst all this great Kaniwaba kit information, what I most wanted to know about, is how has the new POSITION for the cranks changed the ride feel for you? You’d previously written that you’d “gotten used to” the OEM pedal kit’s weird (very rearward) pedal position. The Kaniwaba crank appears to be forward (and perhaps down) from the OEM pedal kit (not having either, I’m not sure)? Does the crank location feel like the location on a “normal bike” now? If not, how much “better” is that location? Because now it is located just aft of where pegs would be (owners can actually put pegs in 3 holes/positions). I wonder if with the 2.0 propulsion kit, if the cranks are restricted to the most-rearward of those holes?
Having been mostly a bicycle rider, I’ve always thought dirtbikes could benefit from a pedal kit, just for comfort. Being able to move my legs, and leg position, helps a lot with comfort. Moving my pedals in corners to avoid pedal strikes is instinctive. With pedals, it’s also much easier to ride “stand-up scooter style” (most weight standing on the lower pedal), making you lower to your already-low hbars. Never thought I’d see it ’til Sur-Ron. I predict that one actual benefit/silver lining of the rearward crank is that you’re not as close to the bars while riding like a stand-up scooter. On a bicycle, I always felt my bars were a little too close when I rode standing up, my body would then be ahead of the seat. Proof of concept will be interesting, and experienced observations are welcomed!
Also, Kaniwaba now has an add-on to the 2.0 which allows “propulsion” pedaling. From the brief video, it seems geared too low (similar to OEM), but with the propulsion kit, they are veritably (and legally) truly functioning pedals. And still not linked to the swingarm, and I believe still compatible with belt drive.
Considering the (0.o) job you did on this review, de facto becoming part of product development/essentially free consultation, I’d LOVE to see a sequel to this with their new Propulsion kit! How do we get Kaniwaba to send you one (if you’ll take it)…. I also wonder if the new propulsion add-on has the same swingarm/chain tightening issue you discovered in the OEM kit.
Lastly, I’m curious if the OEM pedal kit required a different chain length than stock, and if so, did you need to change it back with the Kaniwaba?
Thank you for all your work on this open-source knowledgebase, and thank you for your answers in advance.
Mathias,
The original OEM pedal kit which is attached to the swing arm is further back then any normal bicycle or motorcycle. Having the Kaniwaba kit now places the pedals in a more ‘normal’ position to a bicycle. Keep in mind that unlike any bicycle I’m aware of the Sur Ron seat is longer offering more forward/aft movement of the rider. The hole that is furthest back is the one that the pedal kit uses and will not be adjustable at this time. If you place pegs in the holes and remove the crank arms then you can choose to mount them in one of two spots.
I have raised my bars using 3″ Answer bars which is all contained in my future paid subscription section. Kaniwaba has asked me to ‘review’ their ‘propulsion kit’ but I have yet to receive it. I did remove two links from the OEM pedal kit to the Kaniwaba. Reviewing products takes time and work.
A much needed thank you for your brutal honesty and opining on products for the Surron. I’m a recent owner and new to the sport and you and you tubers showcase what this bird likes potential is. I’m not to mechanically inclined so I truly appreciate your input. Once again, MUCHO GRACIAS
Michele, a very warm thank you for your words of appreciation. I have debated quite a bit lately about continuing to maintain my site as it takes a lot of work. And unlike YouTubers who can get money from advertisers the more ‘likes and subscribes’ they obtain I have offered my information for over two years sans pay of any kind. I’m still debating, but your words go a long way toward moving my decision toward continuing. Thanks and enjoy your bike.
Mark, you never cease to amaze me with your tinkering to make things better and your ability to write up and photograph the evolution of your progress ! If the blue loctite keeps backing out there are better (more strong) locktights) Red and sleeve retainer types. The downside is they need some heat to disassemble. You might clean up the threads up and try them if the blue stuff fails.
Thank you Lee. I have considered Red Locktite, but instead I plan to epoxy the kickstand flange to the hanger and then bolt it down. There’s no reason for me to have the kickstand portion having the ability to separate from the hanger.
Hi Mark,
Your work here is nothing short of amazing and inspiring. I was hoping to follow my passion and buy an electric bike, I had many questions intuitively running through my mind. How are these Sur Rons built, how do they last e.t.c , e.t.c?
learning is enjoyable for me and your words and time allow this to happen.
We live in Tasmania an Island State under Australia. I used to ride enduro bikes when younger and recently bought a Polaris RZR. I have turned a little green over the last three decades and quite frankly I am slightly concerned of the environmental impact of the RZR, also great sections of my State are no longer accessible to machines.
We as a family are now into Ebikes and this looks like a great progression.
Gratitude and thanks, I wish you good health and happiness and to all you love.
James thank you for your kind words, much appreciated. Once I launch my paid subscription site you will see my positive experience with the Sur Ron which I’ve owned for just over two years and amassed 5600 miles to date. My initial problem was related to the brake cut off sensors. Since then NOTHING has gone wrong. Sure, new tires, brake pads, a second chain, but that is to be expected having ridden over 5k miles. My friend Adam of AE Bikes Australia is the Sur Ron dealer there. He’s a real stand up guy btw. As far as durability in addition to my own experience the USN SEALS, the British SAS and the Australian army are all testing the bikes for battlefield use. That should say enough. LOL I also recently purchased a Cake Kalk& and built a site about it. Having both bikes allows me to ride in a very wide variety of situations.
Enjoy your family time together and stay safe and healthy in the new year.
Hello & thank you for all your work on reviewing the Kaniwaba Pedal Kit & helping Kaniwaba produce a better product. I recently purchased the v2 Kaniwaba Pedal Kit (non-propulsion) & was thinking it might be a good idea to add split steel collars next to the collars it will come with as I am afraid that the collars it comes with might loosen up (even with loctite) only having 1 tiny screw in them. Do you think this is a good idea? Just in case I should run into any issues down the road with their collars, what size split steel collars did you use? Yea the Luna Cycle Pedal Kit is absolute Junk (It fell apart on me & broke my chain). Thank you very much.
Thank you Tony. Because of your question I have updated my post to include a link to the collars I use to back up the Kaniwaba single set screw collars. As I mentioned in the post I’ve had single set screw collars fail in other applications, non Sur Ron. Because the surface area of the ones I use is FAR GREATER in contact to the shaft they are bullet proof. Here is a link to the collars I use. Hope this helps.
I have asked visitors to my site that they take a 3 question survey about subscribing for 4.99 a month. To date only 9 people have responded and of those only 40% would pay a monthly fee. Some have suggested that I run ads on my site, but I don’t like to be accountable to anyone for advertising which could sway my ‘view’ of products or services. So at the end of March I will most likely take this site down due to lack of interest in a subscription. I’ve had this site for free for three years and it take a lot of work.
Hello Mark,
I’ve visted your site on and off since late 2019, early 2020 while researching the Light Bee, if it wasn’t for your immence knowledge and expertise of bikes, I probably wouldn’t have purchased a Sur Ron X bike.
I really appreciate your attention to detail, no BS attitude and humor, this was much needed medicine during the covid lock-down last year, I often found a bit of escape with your articles, so thank you so much for your site!
One suggestion regarding keeping the site up, maybe you could possibly use Patreon, or if you don’t want to incur fees, put a Venmo/Paypal contact, some people like to donate all at once, so using a subcription model may not work for everyone.
Alternatively, you could also seek out private sponsors, then advertise only for them, or have a clause where no advertising would be permitted, just a page where they are recognized for their contribution, if they wanted to be acknowledged.
In all honesty I would hate for your site to dissapear, and the work you’ve already accomplished would be a waste and a huge loss for the Sur Ron/Segway community. I would be delighted to help in any way I can, I’m in the Bay Area and would be honored to meet you some day.
Thank you,
Roshan
What crank arms are you using my crank arms hit my kickstand and I can’t even turn them
I use a brand that I cannot remember, sorry. I believe Kaniwaba makes his own. Are those the ones that foul the kickstand?
Mark:
To your knowledge is Kaniwaba still in business and shipping product? I tried emailing them bu get no response whatsoever. I know they have been out of the electronic pedal kits but I am not sure if I can order the purely mechanical versions.
I just ordered a Surron for delivery in a few weeks but I need that pedal kit to ride it on the street here in CA.
I wrote to Juan six months ago and he answered. I can write him again if you’d like to ask. I too live in CA, the SF Bay Area and not once have I ever been hassled about the bike. Then again I don’t ride like an ahole either or in those large ass groups.
Mark:
Could you please reach out I would appreciate it.
I live in San Luis Obispo and we are the home base for a lot of CHP. There is a U-Tube vid of a rider getting stopped in Fresno by a local cop but he was riding at 30-40+ mph in traffic and attracted attention by a local Fresno PD motor officer. He did have pedals and the officer told him to stay in the bike lanes or get it registered with a plate (which I am not sure you could actually do because the Surron has no turn signals or brake light). I just want to avoid any hassle. I used to live in the Bay Area and hardly ever saw a cop for any reason. Not so down here in the Central Coast.
Mark:
Juan finally contacted me and they are shipping mechanical components. I noticed the discussion regarding cranks and I think Kaniwaba states that up to a 160mm will work, but that depends on the offset. Sourcing these from the bicycle world is difficult because although left hand side cranks are common, right side cranks are much more difficult because most bicycles have a chain ring spider integrated with the crank on the right side. Although you can still use two left side cranks, one will not be threaded for the pedals correctly, as you need one with left hand threads and one with right hand threads. If you use two LH bicycle cranks, one of your pedals will unscrew while you ride and you can loose it. There is a special case with tandem bikes, as some of these have a chain ring on the left as opposed to the right. And then there is the offset issue, as most road bikes have a low (narrow) offset and you want a wide offset to clear that kickstand.
Great write-up. I understand the tedious nature of performing a task and photo-documenting it and then writing up an explanation. I’m always glad I can help someone. Your review helped me understand this kit better and for that Im thankful. You really did a thorough job in explaining all issues. Godd on you, well done mate!
Andy I so appreciate you acknowledging the amount of work that goes into reviews. I was an early adopter of the Sur Ron Light Bee. For three years I published articles about improvements I made to my bike. Due to the pandemic I lost my day job business and tried to get some income from this site making it a small subscription. The majority of readers didn’t want to pay anything. So I stopped publishing content except for those small cottage businesses like Juan from Kaniwaba, Josh from Fisher Fab House lights and James from Renazco Racing.
I now write for Web Bike World as a paid freelance writer.
You can view a podcast I did with Eric Hicks of Luna Cycle, the original distributor of the Sur Ron.
Thanks again.
This is a great resource and I’m really glad I found this site. I’ve been trying to find more information on these bikes as we have a pit bike track on our property and these look like they’d be a blast if they can hold up to jumping. How are the suspensions on these and can they be adjusted enough for a 190 lb adult? We have a bunch of Supercross berms and the track is fun but the jumps are way to small for my KX450F. None of our jumps are that big with most being 10-15′ and then the largest doubles are about 20-25′ distance but if that’s too much, we could shorten the gaps. Do you think one of these bikes would work for this type of track? The landings have nice downsides but I just want to make sure I don’t bottom out the suspension as I already have my ankle fused from flat landing an 80′ supercross triple so my ankle can’t take another big hit. Thanks!
Hi Dane, like all things; everything can and will break given enough stress and force. I’m not going to say that the bike won’t break, but my belief based on 190lbs and the stats of your track I believe it will hold up. I write for Web Bike World and among other things I reviewed my Sur Ron and the mods I’ve made to it. I’m much more focused on suspension and brakes than power. Don’t get me wrong, more power is always great, but as a former racer I’ve found that it’s in the turns where you’d get the guy or in late braking. As of this date I have 8900 miles on mine, same battery no problems.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for all the information. I’m trying to figure out what pedal kit to buy to make the bike street legal in California. Do I need to buy the electronic power pedal or just the power pedal to stay compliant. This is for my son and my guess is he will never be pedaling the bike unless the cops stop him Any suggestions would be appreciated.
In reality NO pedal kit makes the SR legal in CA if you ride it like an idiot. In the early days the SR was unknown, but now so many people ride in groups doing illegal shit that the cops are wise to what it really is. I have a moped plate which I never use, but it’s the only legal way to ride this on the streets. Moped plates are no longer issued in CA, I lucked out because I was an early adopter.
WOW what a great write up!!!
I am so glad I found this site. And big kudos to you for doing this all on your own without YouTube money/sponsors. I feel you get a more honest and non biased opinion when it’s done this way.
Thank you so so so much!!
Love from Utah
-CP
Hi Craig, thank you for recognizing this. I started this site in 2018 and was an early adopter of the Sur Ron. Did a podcast with Eric from Luna Cycle. They depended on my site to assist them in product support. During the pandemic, my day job dried up completely so I polled the visitors here if a 4.99-a-month subscription could work. The vast majority of responders told me “Why to pay you when we can get free information from YouTube!” So guess what? I stopped writing here. The ONLY posts that I allowed for free were for small business owners that are valuable to SR owners. I was approached by Web Bike World and now write for them. YouTube is all about Subscribes and Likes/Comments so the ‘channel’ can get money. I don’t have to kiss anyone’s ass. Web Bike World pays me a small amount and that’s it. It doesn’t matter how many people read my articles. That’s fine with me as I write how I feel. Take care.